There are issues such as. I mean the simplest one that comes to mind is Clothing. How does one dress and forget even brothers and sisters how does the clergy expect itself to dress. Every single movement of traditional Islam How does the clergy in that movement dress. Frankly they all dress according to the historical norms of a particular manifestation of Islam, in a particular Muslim majority land, in a particular century or era and for them this becomes religiosity. You understand what I’m saying here right so you go to one version of traditionalists Islam and you should wear the white “Kurta shalwar” that say and if you don’t wear it and I speak from experience you will not give the “Khutbah”. In another version of traditionalist islam, you have to wear the “thobe”. And yet another versions are going to be the “Jellabiya” and the other forth there’s got to be should this and that and this is the narrative that there are completely familiar with so that when somebody comes along and dresses “Ahem” differently this person is automatically dismissed, that you can’t possibly be a part of the scholarly community because they have not found their scholarly community being upon that paradigm. Yet again to be very practical and realistic one could argue and this is my opinion and not just my opinion within in many of them [ ] amongst them; that there “Sunnah”y when it comes to dressing, is to accommodate the culture of your people as much as possible, as long as the “shariah” allows you you to do so to do so. And that the “Prophet (PBUH)” did not come with the fashion revolution, think about it now I’m being dead serious here, he did not come with a fashion revolution. What was he wearing exactly what the pagans of “Macca” ware wearing. Exactly what “Abu Jahl” was wearing, exactly Was “Umon ibna hattaf RA” was wearing. Because that’s the dominant culture of his times so for somebody to come and codify one particular culture the process are never saw the types of clothing that are common in many tradition, even the “thobe” that we might think is the closest to the “Sunnah” you’re really going to tell me this fine fancy material with this fabric and this couplings and the perfectly tailored garment you want to really follow the [ ] And so we’re together with rough harsh wool and the garment is going to be totally That’s the one “Sunnah” but that’s not the “Sunnah” that our prophet wanted us to follow he didn’t tell us dressed like this or dress like that and the fact and again the another example is sister’s “Hijab”. The way that women historically in Indonesia and Malaysia wear the “Hijab” is very different than the way that Nigerian sisters wear the “Hijab” which is very different than the way that “Moroccan” sisters or the Saudi sisters or that “Afghani” sisters so for us to assume that the Saudi Hijab is the only legitimate Hijab this is a mistake there’s nothing wrong with organically developing wait for it a British Hiajb. Because and here’s what I ask you if it’s halal for the Nigerian Muslims to have a Nigerian hijab and its halal out for Indonesians and for Moroccans and for Pakistanis and for what not, for what not; why then does it become Haram when another culture of Muslims which is all of us in this audience try to do the same thing within our own cultural paradigm and again this is the difference between reformist and between if you like traditionalist right, so this is the traditionalist Muslims yes they have a lot of good in them and clearly they identify with observable symbols that have been associated with Islam wearing the “Kurta” wearing the “Thobe” has become identifiable in large parts of the world as being a Muslim so by putting it here it makes them feel comfortable but it’s not necessarily in this case it is not a part. Of the religion that “Allah” and his messenger wanted everybody to follow and there has been and there is leeway now let me talk about the last one and I will go back to a bit more examples the reformists, the reformists are those who are sympathetic to the tradition and they’re not they don’t have any unfairly complex to the dominant culture, they know that veganism is a temporary fad that it was introduced 20 years ago and maybe 50 years from now is going to be gone they have no infuriating complex at the same time they’re not entirely dismissive of it either just because you UKV Is vegan doesn’t mean veganism and all of its opinions and forms is invalid, maybe there’s some truth to it, just because our forefathers weren’t vegan does not mean it’s wrong. No, let’s look at it and they discover you know what it actually is healthier to have more fruits and vegetables in your diet it actually is healthier to minimize eat you know what it’s good to treat animals nicely and yes our religion tells us to sacrifice in a humane fashion so they actually adopt elements of veganism. They adopt points of veganism that their forefathers did not do and it’s not found in the classical tradition and they will say there’s nothing wrong with fine tuning for our culture and the fact of course that. The issue of clothing and women’s Hijab comes up that the reformist try to contextualize that each of your movements that also contextualize traditionalist Islam why is wearing a “Kurta” so important to you because in 1857 when the mutiny took place and there was a big divide amongst Indian Muslims one of the ways to tell whether you’re pro British or anti British was the clothing and the dress that you wore so they made it a factor that you have to wear this clothing why is the “thobe” particular to you, so the historicize each movement and the positives and negatives of the movement and this of course means that reformists the last category are unpopular amongst all the other group Because they’re attacked from all sides the traditionalist view them as being problematic because they’re not faithful to the tradition. As understood by the traditionalist I clear right when you criticize “Biryani” it becomes criticizing the “Sunnah” you understand this point when you criticize wearing a thobe or Kurta which I do criticize I say it is against the “Sunnah” against the “Sunnah” to make it a point to wear a “salwar kameez” in London when you think that there’s a more Islam if you just want to wear it for your own culture of course is halal but you want to wear it to make a point to be more Islamic. No, Islam is not in the “Kurta” Islam is not in the “thobe” rather you are sticking out for no reason and our processor wanted to conform as much as possible so that there’s some familiarity with the culture. Right, I give examples of this that when our prophets (PBUH) receive delegations from other places the “Hadith” say; he would dress up in a Yemeni cloak. Who told him that wearing a Yemeni cloak was dressing up for seventh century Arabia he invent this or was this the norms of his time that if you want to dress up you were a cloak from Yemen of course the answer is that it was the norm of his time that dressing up means you put on the Yemeni cloak you have that shawl that’s a beautiful shawl from Yemen and this is considered dressing up in our times it’s not dressing in a Yemeni cloak it’s dressing in a suit it up this is dressing up so when he’s giving “Dawah” to the delegations you dress up what is giving “Dawah” when our times how are you going to bring about so you see here’s the point the more different you are then when you come with a different theology you’re dismissed as being different whereas when you speak the same language why did “Allah” send every prophet with the same language when you dressed in the same clothes. When you are a part of the system and that’s what “Allah” says [ ] their brotherhood their brother “Shoyeb” want to them. It’s somebody they know somebody they can be familiar with, then you come with a different religion and you’re not that exotic. And this in my opinion is the goals of Islam. So when I come along and I say, in fact clerics especially when they stand in front of non Muslim audiences should dress up according to the standards of our times yes people are will attack and they say look at this guy he’s still dressing in Plantation what type of scholars this right when I make it a point not to wearing a “Tope” and I don’t typically wear a “Tope” even when I’m bald after “Hajj”. I don’t typically wear “Tope” because in my humble opinion covering the head is something completely cultural or process and he did it. He never commanded people to do it. There’s no authentic “Hadith” he commanded people to do it this was the cultural norms pagan, Muslim they all cover their heads just like one hundred years ago in England and in America all people covered their heads didn’t they all men cover their heads that was white people did it’s a not cultural thing if you want to dress like that, fine, if you think it’s Islamic I think that’s a problem in this land, back home is another issue.